There's a lot going on in that prospective patch and I think it might not come out exactly how you're expecting as patched.I am considering midside+ for a skiff designed around a full voice module with stereo outs (Vhikk X).
My goal is to take the mid send and feed a low pass gate so I can get some percussive bassy sounds accompanying the droning stereo voice. I would be sending the side output from midside+ through some time based effects and a looper (fx aid and 2hp loop).
If I understand right I will be able to use a mono algorithm on the FX Aid, and also use my mono channel looper, but the wet effected signal and the captured loops coming back into the side return on midside+ will still be hipassed and decoded into the stereo field along with panned stereo information coming from the full voice module itself (whose LR outputs had been patched into the LR inputs of Midside+). Meanwhile filtered and enveloped copy of the signal returning into the mid return on Midside+ from the low pass gate will be present in mono and unaffected by the stereo width controls and hpf.
I hope Im thinking about this correctly.
The thing with MS processing is you're transforming the stereo signal from LR to MS, you do a process on it in MS form and then you transform it back to LR using the amplitude and phase of the M and S signals, specifically if a signal is the same amplitude in M and S and in phase it will appear on the L output, if it's just in the M signal it will be panned centre (equal in both L and R) and if it's the same amplitude in M and S but out of phase it will appear in the R output. Whatever processes you do to in MS effect how the LR comes back together, so if you send only the Side signal through time based effects and a looper when they're transformed back to LR they won't be panned, they'll just be present on both L and R but out of phase with one another. This gives a super wide stereo effect but the individual panning of things is gone without the Mid signal also being moved in time to reconstruct the stereo image, however with drones instead of percussive sounds there's at least some signal present on the M to mix with the S and recreate an image, which depending on the relative frequency and phase could give you interesting new stereo positioning of the different frequencies.
How I would patch this up to get the best results and also keep the stereo image of the Vhikk X intact is to mult the L and R outputs of the Vhikk X and run one pair to a stereo mixer and the other to the MS+, then do the processing as you've outlined and then mix that back in with the original stereo signal. Another option would be to use a wet/dry crossfader on your M and S send and return loops, so that you could blend in some of the dry signal to recreate the original stereo image for the processed signals to work against. This would mean you still get the benefit of the VC stereo width and the Side HPF, and you just need two mono or one stereo crossfader rather than a stereo mixer.
If you haven't already I'd recommend downloading the MS+ manual and giving it a read, it's got a lot of detailed explanations of how MS processing works and some good example patches to get you going, you'll also learn a whole lot from just sitting down with the module and patching, there's no substitute for being able to try out your different patch ideas to see what works and how. Have fun with it!
Statistics: Posted by Stab Frenzy — Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:50 pm